Star Destroyers, Part III

This blog-post originally composed on the 5th of November.

But no:  actually that’s not really significant.

Sorry.

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Ah, hello there, Bloggers!  Long time no see:  I’ve been busy.  But now I’m back.

You may have wondered if this was all going anywhere.  Well…

Sort of.

So if you stick with me, I believe I can guarantee you a point of some kind.

And also, no fooling:  some weird wild shit, somewhere a little further on.

So anyway, we were talking about what Star Wars got right, and we were talking about what Star Wars got wrong, because we were talking about the thing that makes Sean Witzke roll his eyes even more than discussions of Star Wars — i.e. we were talking about the elusive beast called canon.  So what’s the interest?  What’s the upshot?

As far as I’m concerned, it’s this:  that the original 1977 release of Star Wars is the only thing that really “counts” as Star Wars…and that the original novelization of the movie, along with its “sequel” Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye, and two or three crucial elements of The Empire Strikes Back, function comfortably as part of a deuterocanon…

…And beyond said deuterocanon, there’s nothing else to know.

So, that’s where I’m coming from, and no doubt to many it seems like a reasonably weird place.  Really no Empire, no Return, no prequels, no further novelizations?

Is that really (I hear some of you saying) the best I can do?

Actually, it is…because this is how I choose to assert the “ownership” most fans feel toward Star Wars, in which sense of fannish entitlement I am no different from they.  It’s only that, into that grand space of potential narrative explanation that George Lucas abandoned so totally, I choose to inject my own indifference as an organizing through-line.  Star Wars, to me, is much better off as a splintered failure than a triumph of rational reunification…and so I passionately assert my fannish interest in it to propose that all the wood has gone through the chipper, and all the chips have simply fallen as they may, and the tree is done, but at least we still have its “before” picture to look at so let’s let the past tend to the past while we move on to something else.

However.

If I did have to attempt a recreation of the tree from its chippy constituents, here for your (possible) amusement is what I would probably end up allowing:

The Sith were the original practitioners of “force magic”, and ruled a terrible Empire, until the rebellious, sickeningly “good” Jedi Order arose out of them, and wiped them out ’til there were only a few left.  Sometime later than this, Luke Skywalker’s father becomes a Jedi Knight, and fights alongside Obi-Wan Kenobi and probably Darth Vader too, in the Clone Wars.  But then afterwards, foolishly choosing to go against his Force-peer Vader as he turns to the dark side, Skywalker is killed…and eventually the rest of the Jedi are also killed, all except for Obi-Wan Kenobi, because he has become somewhat depressed.  Perhaps he feels Skywalker’s death at Vader’s hands is his responsibility, his failure…but in any case he survives because he has elected to follow the “guru” path and retire to some out-of-the-way planet as a hermit and teacher.  His motivation in this isn’t entirely pure, however:  he does not teach when he is on Tatooine (because at this point “teaching” would be the same as Rebelling), so much as he simply tries to protect and provide for the son Skywalker left behind there.  This doesn’t really work out for him, though:  he’s rejected both by the Skywalker family, and by whatever passes for Tatooine society.  Heck, they don’t even call him by his right name:  and over time he does less and less about more and more, just a cranky old goat out in the desert, until it doesn’t even matter that he was once a Jedi.

And so in time…he is the only one left, because he really ceases to be one at all.

Meanwhile Vader allies himself with the political forces of the Tarkinites and their Emperor — a very un-Jedi, and even un-Sith, thing to do, but as we shall see he has his reasons.  The Tarkinites fear him, but their Emperor seems to favour him;  so at least in part, the Death Star is built to put him in his place.  Vast scientific forces trump Vader’s obscure power — and yet he is on the Death Star as the Emperor’s enforcer, and everybody knows it.  It’s a funny situation for him to be in, since he’s so dismissive of technology:  but as the Emperor’s enforcer he is there to make sure the Death Star is used as the Emperor wishes it to be used…even though he himself would rather have an Empire of the Force.

Even if he can find no adherents.

But then meanwhile, back on Tatooine…somehow events conspire to bring Skywalker’s son into contact with his father’s teacher, with disastrous consequences.  Luke’s family is destroyed, forcing him into the life of a Jedi apprentice and a political actor…and Obi-Wan feels the currents of the Force swirling around him again, after all this time.

So…it’s a kind of redemption for him?

Or at least:  an opportunity for redemption…

…Finally achieved when he sacrifices himself to Darth Vader’s lightsaber, in order that Luke may escape the Death Star.  And then whatever happens next, remains to be seen.

Cue X-wing bomber runs, Han Solo’s absolutely unanticipated intervention, Darth Vader’s defeat, and the destruction of the Death Star.

And then…on to “The Empire Strikes Back”, which picks up as the Rebels are already fleeing the “ice planet of Hoth”…but nothing of interest really happens until Han Solo flies through the asteroid field.  Thus it is established that Han Solo is awesome, you see?  Which is one of the elements of Empire that made it into my original deuterocanon, as it happens…ohh, that asteroid chase…!

SO COOL…!

…But in it, the Falcon takes a hit from one of the TIE fighters (or something), that cripples its hyperdrive system.  Meanwhile Luke, flying to the Rebels’ rendezvous point with R2-D2, hears Ben’s voice telling him he “must seek Yoda”, the famous and ancient Teacher Of Jedi, though he’s not a Jedi himself — and this is the second important deuterocanonical element — and so Luke flies to the Dagobah system against R2-D2′s wishes, where he meets an annoying creature while spending the whole time looking for the magical Jedi Teacher Yoda, but never finding him.  Along the way, he encounters many problems and must get better at using the Force to surmount them…but of Yoda, there’s never any sign.  Meanwhile again, Han and Leia keep trying to flee the Imperial forces but the Falcon’s hyperdrive isn’t working…they therefore must go to many different planets and moons (including the third moon of Endor) in an effort to evade the Star Destroyers.  After tossing stormtroopers galore at them, Darth Vader enlists bounty hunters to track them down instead, because he can’t just run around all over the place looking for them, because he’s got a job, damn it…and also it’s hard to justify such a huge fleet’s mobilization only for REVENGE, which is what this is:  as far as Vader knows, it was the Millenium Falcon that was responsible for the Death Star blowing up, and the Empire’s enemies must be punished, sure, but…no one’s really ever heard of Han Solo anyway, you know?  And to admit Leia Organa survived the destruction of Alderaan would just be stupid, at this point.  After all, the remnants of Republic aren’t exactly perfectly quelled, you know…

And thus there is a series of showdowns between Han Solo (previously demonstrated to be awesome) and the various bounty hunters who are after him, and he beats them one by one…until the smartest bounty hunter, one Boba Fett (the only one who really plans to sell him to Vader instead of to Jabba), corners him and cleans his clock.  Epic battle:  and then Han is frozen in some kind of ice-block to be taken back to Vader.  Boba Fett doesn’t care about Leia Organa (who by the way is in love with Luke Skywalker) because the specifics of his contract ended up excluding her…nothing personal, Vader, it’s just business…which is a painful irony, because Han might’ve won the big showdown if he didn’t think he had to protect Leia (who he’s in love with by the way) at all costs.  Just before he’s frozen, Han tells her:  “I love you”.  She replies:  “I know.”  Then POOF!  It’s just Leia and Chewbacca and Threepio, and the downed Falcon.  Leia and Chewbacca get it moving again unexpectedly quickly with the help of the Ewoks (because Han was nice to them, or saved them from being blown up, or something), then they head for the Provincial Capitol where Vader and the Star Destroyers will be…the gas-mining colony called Bespin.  Hooray, they’ve got there before Boba Fett, because the Falcon’s so fast!  With some difficulty they evade the Imperials, but then are captured by the (supposedly) less well-trained Governor’s Army.  But actually this army seems pretty darn well trained, you know…

Too well-trained, to not be in the pay of the Empire?

And then finally “Return Of The Jedi” starts with Luke having flashes of Han and Leia being in trouble…just as they’re rescued by Lando, the Provincial Governor who nonetheless owes Han a favour, and who is also (conveniently) part of the anti-Sith, anti-Vader movement within the Empire.  Leia and Chewbacca and Lando (and Threepio) try to rescue Han from Boba Fett…once Boba Fett hands Han over to Vader, though, Lando’s hands will be tied until such time as the anti-Vader movement gives him the okay to “free the Emperor from Vader’s control”.  But gradually it’s revealed that the Emperor is a Sith too, and Vader’s master:  the Empire is just a front, for the resurgence of the Sith.  Leia and Chewbacca (and Threepio) thaw Han out, but then the stormtroopers attack them — then Lando musters his troops against the Imperials, and all looks like it’s going to turn out fine, until Vader walks in and announces that “my Master approaches”.  A super-Star Destroyer moves in, and the Emperor arrives — blowing the pro-Emperor/anti-Vader coalition to bits.

And back on Dagobah, Luke realizes he has to go to Bespin and save his friends.  His annoying native companion reveals himself as the Exalted Jedi Teacher Luke’s been seeking all this time — it was all a trick!  And finally we have the raising of the X-Wing from the swamp, and the “do, or do not” prescription:  Yoda lets Luke go, because “always in motion is the future”, and all the bad stuff we’ve just seen hasn’t actually happened yet.  But Yoda has stayed alive just for Luke, and when Luke goes he will die…so here is the last test, and Yoda will not be able to tell Luke if he’s passed it…he will not be able to tell him if he really is ready.  As Luke flies off to Bespin, insufficiently trained — he really must “trust the Force” now — Yoda’s face is lit in red, and he hears a voice as a ghostly head appears behind him:  the successful Force-penitent Obi-Wan, who seems dubious about the whole thing with Luke, there.  They have a brief conversation about destiny and hope and all that nonsense…with the sense of it being that both Force-Masters must now fade away, awaiting the outcome of events.  If Luke is killed, the Dark Side will have triumphed, and they’ll have no rest in the Force because it will sicken — this is the cosmic dimension of Luke’s story.  But if he succeeds, they’ll be able to come back because the Force will be reinvigorated.  Until and unless that happens, though — they’re out of the picture.

So Luke goes to Bespin, and he fights Vader and is almost killed by him…until the Emperor himself attacks Vader, because he’s decided he would prefer Luke as apprentice instead…after it’s revealed it was Luke (not Han) who destroyed the Death Star even while Vader tried to save it…so it’s Luke who is truly at one with the Force, and that’s a tool the Emperor can use.  Vader roars:  naturally the Sith apprentice must always slay his master, but that isn’t what the Emperor intends, and Vader will not be allowed to choose his time.  They fight, and Vader kills the Emperor…then turns to Luke and says there’s an Evil Apprenticeship available.  But, is it really “evil”?  It’s because of Luke, after all, that the Emperor has died, and Vader has won…clearly the Force “wants” Vader to be Luke’s teacher, now that Obi-Wan is gone…and one day Luke will be Emperor, because there is no more Jedi stock left in the galaxy.  Vader, unlike the Emperor, has a vision of a future bigger than himself:  he was always a religious Force-fanatic, deep down, so he’ll be happy to leave the whole thing to Luke in due time.  Luke can sense Vader is telling the truth, and they have a conversation about Luke’s father, in which Vader tells Luke that it’s his destiny to accept Vader as his new, spiritual father — OMG, just like Obi-Wan was! — and in this way Vader will atone for what he’s done (OMG!), by encouraging Luke to bring a “new balance” to the universe.  No more Sith and no more Jedi:  just Luke and his descendants, bringing peace and hope and order and all that stuff, on into eternity.

But after a little of this temptation, Luke comes to his senses, terminally fries some important control apparatus, and dives down a cooling conduit instead.  The Cloud City begins to fall, and its people, led by Lando, evacuate hurriedly.  The Imperial troopers, alas, don’t make it.  In the confusion, our heroes get away to the Falcon, but the hyperdrive still isn’t working.  R2 unlocks the docking clamps, is about to repair the hyperdrive, then Luke lands on the hull and R2 must go out to retrieve him…so it’s Threepio who must finally get through to the Falcon’s computer, and wire himself in as a hyperdrive shunt –  “OOOOOH-OOH!!! — and they hit hyperspace and they’re gone, leaving Vader to a pretty cool death scene.

Epilogue:  outside the disc of the galaxy, the Rebel’s remaining base floats, and we see the wrap-up.  Luke will go to Dagobah, alone, and live there in the jungle…Leia, conflicted now about her feelings for Han, would nonetheless want to go with him, but the last thing Luke now wants are children so he tells her she can’t.  So Leia and Han and Lando will go to the third moon of Endor, and the Rebellion will go on until a New Republic can be founded.  The various ships depart, and go their ways…we see the ghosts of Yoda and Obi-Wan shaking their heads as they discuss Luke’s sad, self-imposed exile, which they see as a mistake, Vader’s last victory…”That boy was our last hope,”  Obi-Wan says.  But:

“No,” Yoda replies.  “There is another.”

And then there’s a fourth movie that comes out twenty years later, and it’s directed by Peter Jackson and it’s awesome.

And so phooey, Bloggers:  that’s as far as I’m willing to go. So what do you think of my solution?

I mean it pretty much just takes off someplace of its own, doesn’t it?  Awful.  And so surely letting the chips fall where they may would be better than this:  this outright rejection of five-sixths of all that’s “supposed” to be Star Wars.  For heaven’s sake, you know:  talk about entitlement…!

Why it’s practically an atrocity of entitlement!

And yet consider this, too:  my new Internet pen-pal Nate has gone completely in the other direction with it.  And is what I’ve wrought so incredibly different in kind from what he has?

“Just wanted to say I enjoyed your column on the Star Wars prequel
problems.

Upon watching the train wrecks that are the Star Wars prequels, I began
to understand how Lando felt when shafted by Vader in Empire.

To begin with, how can it be that Owen Lars met the droids in Episode
II, when he showed no discernible sign of previously seeing them in
1977’s Episode IV?

How can, when Anakin, already deep in the thrall of the dark side,
echoing the words of George W. Bush, hisses at Obi-Wan, “If you’re not
with me, you’re my enemy,” Ben responds “Only a Sith thinks in
absolutes”, when the whole point was that both the Jedi and the Sith had
fallen into a trap of believing absolutes, with Luke’s task being to
restore balance to the Force? The clear implication was that the Force
had a yin-yang aspect, which both the Sith and Jedi had lost sight of.
The core story arc thus was to be Luke’s restoration of that balance
despite opposition from both the remnants of the Jedi and the Emperor.
In choosing to put those words in Obi-Wan’s mouth, Lucas betrayed his
own creation.

Mon Mothma should have been a young woman on the Senate (Gillian
Anderson would have been perfect). The backstory on Mon Mothma was that
she was a young Chandilaran politico within the Galactic Senate during
the rule of Chancellor Valorum and was opposed to Palpatine being
elected. Despite this she remained a senator after Palpatine’s
disbanding of the Republic into the Galactic Empire and his
self-declaration of Emperor.

Episode Three should also have kicked off the plot of the Bothan spies
in the final.

Anakin picking up with Sith Pirates (i.e. Mandalore Red Guards), whom he
would draft into service for the Emperor, was also overlooked.

Since “A New Hope” practically took the plot of Kurosawa’s “Hidden
Fortress”, the prequel should have included a tribute to his other great
film, “Seven Samurai” with a band of Jedi attempting to take back a
planet from the Trade Federation and their mercenary Mandalore Pirates.
Otherwise, since Campbell’s “The Hero with a Thousand Faces” spells out
the template that Lucas utilised for the Star Wars Trilogy perfectly, it
also includes a section on THE HERO AS A CHILD, so this could have been
used for Anakin’s infamous rise.

There was also no need for a Rebel Alliance in the prequel.

Howard Kazanjian, the producer of Return of the Jedi, on the parallels
between the original trilogy and the prequels:

“In the trilogy, there is a competitive love triangle that develops
between Luke, Leia and Han. This love triangle ends peacefully when Luke
learns that Leia is his twin sister. In the prequels, George has planned
a love triangle involving Luke and Leia’s mother, Anakin Skywalker and
Ben Kenobi. The consequences of this love triangle are devastating with
great betrayals and forever changes the fate of our heroes and villains
in the films. So those who watch the trilogy for the first time after
seeing the prequels will be scared to death that the same horrible fate
that beset the heroes in the prequels will happen to our beloved heroes
in the trilogy because of a dangerous love triangle that divides and
destroys close friendships, but fortunately this does not come to pass.”
27 October 1997

I would therefore have developed this love triangle along the lines of
King Arthur, Lady Guinevere and Sir Lancelot of the Camelot legend.
Arthur = Ben (the oldest of the three), Guinevere = the Young Queen
(younger than Arthur/Ben, but older than Lancelot/Anakin) and Anakin =
Lancelot (the youngest of the three).

In Episode II a 30-ish Ben would court the young Queen, who would then
be in her late 20’s, and asking for her hand in marriage, she accepts.
The young Queen was the focus of Ben’s life and would be the only woman
that he would ever love (that is why he lives all alone as a hermit on
Tatooine because he never gets over the loss of the young Queen).

Enter the conquering hero in Episode II: The young, hot-shot Anakin (in
his early 20’s) becomes one of the most decorated warriors of the Clone
Wars and catches the eye of the young Queen. It is love at first sight
for Anakin and the young Queen and they carry on an affair behind Ben’s
back.

The young Queen consequently leaves Ben for Anakin, completely
devastating Ben, who considers this to be the ultimate betrayal at the
hands of his two closest friends (the young Queen and Anakin).
Consequently, Ben and Anakin’s friendship is destroyed. Palpatine takes
advantage of this situation and lures Anakin to the dark side. By the
time Ben realises what has happened to Anakin, it is too late. As a
result of his turning his back on Anakin and the young Queen, Palpatine
uses Anakin in his rise to power. Ben carries the guilt of Anakin’s
fall from grace and the demise of the Republic for the rest of his life.
And tries to resurrect his mistakes vicariously through the young Luke
Skywalker.

Further ties to Arthur’s story could be drawn with the Jedi Council
being the equivalent of the Knights of the Round Table, with perhaps
Yoda as Arthur, Coruscant their Camelot, Anakin their Mordred whom they
refuse to advance, and Palpatine as his mother.

Or alternatively, after Luke and Leia’s mother becomes pregnant, Anakin
begins to become cold and cruel (like Michael Douglas to his wife in
Falling Down) and she falls in love with Obi-Wan (Greek Tragedy).

Speaking of their mother, in the Empire Strikes Back when Luke says
“there was something familiar about this place,” I would posit that he
and Leia were born on Dagobah, and became separated soon after. Whilst
Obi Wan’s brother Owen Lars was to watch after Luke, Leia was sent to
Bail Organa on Alderaan. Luke and Leia’s mother must have survived the
birth and came under the protection of Bail, since Leia recalls her
mother in Return of the Jedi. Alderaan would have been a better
substitute for the cloning technology to have been developed upon.

I also hated what was done with Boba Fett. My favourite revelation was
his charging Jabba a higher amount than the original bounty price, on
the basis that the frozen Solo had become a unique work of art created
by Darth Vader. But I digress… considering Fett had a string of Wookie
scalps on his shoulder and his ship was named Slave I, perhaps he was
originally a slave-trader for the Empire.

Why did he and his crew exclusively get the Empire’s contracts? Could
it perhaps be that he had assisted Vader in his rise to power.

In Dark Empire II # 2, Zasm Katth and Baddon Fass, two Imperial
Dark-Side warriors, state that Boba Fett was a former Imperial
stormtrooper guilty of murdering his superior officer.

You’ll recall Han Solo had also been at the Imperial Academy, but was
sent packing for some unknown infraction. Had Vader perhaps noted Fett’s
mean streak, and made a deal for him to assassinate an Imperial Officer?
I would posit that the Imperial Officer in question was going to
sabotage Vader’s position at the Emperor’s side, so Darth promised he
would set Fett up with a sweet deal as a bounty hunter if he did this
one little job for him. To ensure Fett was not hunted down for the
crime, Vader manipulated circumstances so the young recruit, Han Solo,
who had a record of insubordination, took the blame for the murder.
This leads to Han escaping the Academy, and stealing the slave Chewbacca
away with him.

Otherwise, the braids Boba Fett has on his shoulder are not Wookie
scalps, but are instead from young Padawans he killed during the
“cleansing” of the Jedi temple.

The Battle Droids in the prequels should have been the chrome war
droids, akin to IG-88, thus further tying in continuity.

I would also eradicate Naboo, retain a planet with underwater elements,
but make the aquatic race the Mon Calamari, from which Admiral Akbar
originated. This would explain why his race was sympathetic to the
Alliance… perhaps even have a Mon Calamari end up being a Jedi.

You could then have the Quarren/Squid Heads (who destroyed their own
planet) team up with the Trade Federation. As part of this alliance,
they are promised the planet of the Calamari, since they need an
underwater world to birth their children in. The planet consequently
falls into a Civil War, hence why the Jedi are called in to start
negotiations.

Palpatine should have had the Jedi hunted down and carted off to
encampments to be mass murdered/ sacrificed, ala the Holocaust, so he
could harness their energy via a Sith ritual to power himself up to
become the Emperor. Those surviving Jedi later develop the technique of
dissolving, so he cannot use their energy to become even more powerful.

And I wouldn’t overlook Tarkin’s role in helping Palpatine getting
elected.

I would liken the Great Jedi Purge and Palpatine’s secret betrayal of
his Separatist Council allies that resulted in their deaths at the hands
of his apprentice, Darth Vader, on Mustafar, to be very much like the
Night of the Long Knives when Heinrich Himmler’s SS troops attacked the
rival SA and killed Ernst Röhm and other leaders, eliminating Hitler’s
sole remaining rival and his power base.

I would have Coruscant alternatively named Chandilar.

Another thing that annoyed me was Ben Kenobi being called Ben in the
prequel instead of Obi-Wan. IIRC, Ben stated in Episode IV that:
“Obi-Wan Kenobi, I haven’t gone by that name, since…oh, before you
were born.”

What with Kessel being the planet where spice was mined, like Arakkis, I
would have made this the birth place of Palpatine, like the Emperor from
Dune.

Since Owen was Ben’s brother, and being a Jedi ran in the family, I
would have made he and Beru Lars retired Jedi, using their powers to
farm moisture on the desolate Tatooine.

Perhaps R2 – D2 could be revealed as more than just an astromech droid,
but rather a Jedi Knight! You’ll recall that a great deal of those
coincidences swaying the course of fortune to the Alliance were a result
of the Force influencing our little friend, including his knowing
exactly where to find Obi Wan Kenobi using the Force, hence the initial
argument with Threepio after the escape pod landed and his insistence on
where to go. Artoo influenced the weak-minded Jawas to turn in the
opposite direction to then pick up Threepio. At the Jawa sandcrawler,
when Uncle Owen selects the red droid, Artoo uses the Force to explode
the motivator on an otherwise good unit, forcing himself to be chosen.
With many of the scenes on the Death Star, Artoo more than just plugs
into the main computer, he influences it and works with Obi Wan in
forcing the hand of fate, as he does in the final Death Star trench
scenes. In Empire and Jedi, the force flows through Artoo like a conduit
in many of the scenes. On Dagobah, Bespin, and in Jedi Artoo ejects the
light sabre to Luke to rescue his friends from Jabba. It all makes a lot
of sense when you watch the movies with this in mind.

In the novelisation of Star Wars, Obi Wan, looking back at the fall of
the Old Republic and the Jedi Knights speaks about “the later corrupt
emperors,” note the plural. This suggests a means by which Palpatine’s
identity could have been concealed with a more obvious evil character in
the forefront with Palpatine lurking in the background maybe as an
assistant or as a co-Emperor.

You could also build a better third movie than what we actually got from
Return of the Jedi with elements from Shadows of the Empire! Imagine, if
you will, that the rescue of Han Solo didn’t occur on Tatooine, but
instead they had to pluck him out of a squabble between the bounty
hunters – that a ‘BlackSun’ sub-plotline lead the action directly to
Coruscant – that the second Death Star was being built over Coruscant
itself and that Luke’s confrontation with the Emperor happened right in
the very seat of Imperial Power! Now THAT would have been a fitting
conclusion to the trilogy! *sigh* – if only…

In Star Wars, you’ll recall Luke saying, “My father didn’t fight in the
Clone Wars. He was no knight – just a navigator on a space freighter.”
So he would fly the Falcon. On Mos Eisley, Obi-Wan knew fate was
helping them when Han introduced himself as “the Captain of the
Millennium Falcon; maybe you’ve heard of her?” “Should I?” answered Ben,
tongue pressed firmly in cheek. Ben knew that the Falcon had once been
owned by Anakin Skywalker.”

Crazy shit, eh?  And I have no idea what Nate is talking about there, mostly;  superficially, he and I are quite clearly at odds in the way we choose to approach our fannish enthusiasm, because where I want to blow it up because of how ugly it’s gotten, he would prefer to save it…

Ugly bits and all!

…And so at first glance it seems each of us must find the other to be something of a kook (really, Nate, Calamari? and what in the hell is a Mon Mothma, or a Mandalore Red Guard?)…

…But if you just give it another look, we are not so far apart.  Because even though it’s in the attempt to save all the crazy, ugly stuff I’d prefer to see abolished and forgotten, deep down Nate’s position on Star Wars is just like mine:  we both recognize that the creative absence at its centre is dragging all the meanings it once carried, or promised, down into a big black hole of Who Cares.  So, I’d just toss it all;  but Nate must actually flirt with destroying it all, finding ways to actively contradict it all, in order to rescue it from the garbage can.  Sadly the wonderful flight of fancy called (I think) The Skywalker Paradigm is beyond my poor Internet reach now, or I’d use it to demonstrate how very close Nate comes to embracing a complete subversion of George Lucas’ brainchild — with Darth Vader the hero, Obi-Wan Kenobi the villain, Luke Skywalker the psychotic Doomsday Weapon of a corrupt counter-insurgency, and R2-D2 as the Force Mastermind behind it all who’s trying to hold it together — and it’s really too bad I can’t find it (although that Adam Star’s Esoteric Star Wars is still out there, even now picture-less, somewhat makes up for that lack), because my point here is that cohesive alternative explanations for all the shit that’s falling down a black hole need alternative attractors, “negative energy” if you will, a sort of narrative “anti-gravity”, if they’re to establish themselves in the slender zone of stability between total implosion and total detonation…which is the only place complexity ever lives.  And so the spinning-up of inconsistencies in the Star Wars movies to create a plausible dismantling of everything those movies claim to be showing us, is a powerful tool for challenging the black hole’s pull;  Nate does offer three other things here, as “anti-gravitic” mechanisms of this type, which are rather more conciliatory than the hilarious “good guys are really bad/bad guys are really good/everything you know is wrong” reconstruction, but I think it’s fair of me to say that it all begins with the possibility of a fully negative reading — fair to say that this negative interpretational possibility is what supplies the licence necessary to find other interpretations that lie somewhere between negative and positive.

And the first bit of “anti-gravity” Nate offers here is (of course!) all the insane ephemera of the Star Wars “Expanded Universe”:  which George Lucas has pretty much asserted his right to cherry-pick elements from without regard to whatever pre-existing consistency they may be founded in…but which Nate points out are not perfectly eliminable regardless, by finding ways in which they actually support the “arbitrary” order which was intended to replace them.  Just as, in the second “anti-gravitic” instance, he points out that Lucas’ Campbellian enthusiasms themselves imply a hidden “mythic” structure to the Star Wars story that can’t be simply hand-waved away.  Myself, I’ve got no time any longer for the love triangle of Lancelot and Guinevere and Arthur, nor necessarily for the Hero’s Journey…but Lucas still does, and so I think when Nate invokes Campbellian formulae to explain how the Star Wars story “should” have gone, the Star Wars canon must be found to tolerate his revisions as at least “possible” or “allowable” ones…

And finally, the last countervailing force arises (again; but we should be expecting this by now) from Lucas’ own willingness to let the chips fall as they may:  as Star Wars comes to be a sort of foster-home for any SF genre-conventions from other sources, that anyone wants to throw in there.  Cloaking devices and spice planets, tractor beams and mass cloning facilities — well, Star Wars began by mashing things like this up anyway, only with a bit of a new shine put on them, and (as previously mentioned) when your universe is one that supports aliens playing Benny Goodman tunes on fucking clarinets you’ve already shown a willingness to take things on board…

But in the absence of a firm authorial grip on this intake, it’s not long before the logic these devices bring with them must start to show, too:  not long before the profusion of details, the accession to convention, begins to be suggestive (again) of an order that’s no less necessary for not being expressed — that is perhaps even made more necessary for that lack of expression.

Or else…

Or else it is all just, in Jog’s (was it Jog’s?) memorable phrase, three-chord rock;  and so legitimately playable by anyone.

And if you go and visit Nate’s blog, you’ll find a lot of this crazy stuff, this mad and obsessive chasing after reconciliation, this heroic attempt to save even the worst of it all…because hey:  what other parts need saving, anyway?…which is not by any means my sort of freak-flag to be flying, but as I’ve said before, the great thing about “trash culture” (name courtesy of the PrettyFakers, by the way) is that it’s a free culture, a culture built on transgressions, on forbidden interactions, on FANTASY, yo…and so even if it’s not my kind of freak-flag, it is still I think a very admirable kind of freak-flag, being so all unapologetic about its geeky energy and affection.  Three-chord rock?  Heck, Nate’s getting twenty-minute prog drum solos out of it, over there.  It’s maddening.  It’s crazy.  It’s technically disallowed.  But that’s what makes it beautiful!

Of course, I would say that…

Considering the sort of thing I write when I think I’m in private conversation…

So here, rather likely not for your amusement, is an excerpt from an email exchange I had with my friend Jack, of the aforementioned PrettyFakers.  Quoth I:

“So the latest thing about the Large Hadron Collider is something that I’m not sure ought to be taken seriously — I mean, I don’t know if I believe the people suggesting it are being serious, it seems more likely to me that it’s a deliberate joke, a Sokol hoax for string theorists.  I certainly laughed when I encountered it for the first time a few days ago… But it made me think of doing a bit of brushing-up, and so I went around the web reading this and that, finally once again coming across the gedanken that I hate most of all, the time-travelling billiard ball.  The billiard ball is struck, and heads toward the corner pocket, within which is concealed a time machine.  KER-PLUNK!  It emerges from the other corner pocket at just such an angle that it strikes its past-self and knocks it off course.  The first billiard ball, Billiard Ball #1, never sinks into the time-machine pocket at all. Now, there’s nothing really wrong with this, it just annoys me when people call it a “paradox” — of course it isn’t one, the billiard balls represent particles interfering with one another, and one particle’s the same as another whether you have a time machine or you don’t.  You don’t even need for there to be a time-travelling particle to stop Billiard Ball #1 from going into the time machine — you could explain your attempted translocation not working in a number of different ways.  As always, what makes the paradox a paradox is incomplete information about the total system, where “incomplete information” doesn’t stand for “outright misprision”:  the casual assumption that “time” exists as either a) something seperate from space in GR, or b) as something we feel justified in saying we know anything at all about outside of GR.  Physical theories of time-travel are all mistakes, woefully premature:  time travel is still, as I seem to keep on saying, primarily a *literary conceit*.  As far as we know, spacetime’s just spacetime, and there are just coordinate locations in it, and that’s the whole of the story.  “Time travel” is a misnomer, as far as physics goes, because our physics currently doesn’t include a conception of this sort of “time” at all.

But anyway.  Then I read something sort of interesting:  a revision of the billiard-ball business that shows it’s possible for Billiard Ball #2 to just nudge Billiard Ball #1 enough that its trajectory is deflected, but it still makes it into the corner pocket. Now this is far more interesting:  the folks who went at this “nudge” scenario mathematically saying they’ve proved consistency can be preserved even in the presence of a notional “time machine” of this type…that indeed for all possible Billiard Ball #1 nudges, a Billiard Ball #2 path is generated that will provide the appropriate nudge.  So, even if you were a person who was wedded to the idea that it was a bunch of time-travelling particles causing the LHC not to fire, you see…even if you were a person who believed in paradox, in a sense relied on paradox, you could still have a “Chronology Protection Principle” (I resent Hawking “coining” that phrase more than I can say) in action that permitted time-travel.

Okay, where this all comes from, and then where I think it all goes:  the wacky things said about the LHC’s failure to discover the Higgs boson are all about the LHC acting as a universe-splitting time machine — nature abhors Higgs bosons, so whenever the LHC gets turned on, the LHCs that have already been turned on in the future interfere with it in such a way as to cause our universe to select itself as a universe where LHCs don’t detect Higgs bosons [EDIT: Because the thing hasn't successfully been fired yet, is what I'm saying].  Now this is actually SF, in fact I believe I read this story many times in the 80s and 90s.  The most hilarious suggestion has been that we ought to make up a million-card deck, in which 999,999 cards say “turn on the LHC” and only one says “DON’T”.  Then we pick from the deck, and if we get the card that says “DON’T” then we know the universe just split, so there’s no point turning it on.

(I swear to God this is a hoax.  It must be, surely?)

Anyway, so to the paradox-minded this scenario presents a problem — if we don’t turn it on, how do we receive the “message” not to turn it on? The “nudge” theory of time-travelling billiard balls sort of solves this imaginary problem, though only generally and not specifically:  you can have a time-traveller change his own time-travelling past without leaving yourself lots of paradoxical loose ends, because the billiard ball can still go into the pocket…and as it turns out no matter which way it goes into the pocket, there’s a way for it to nudge its past-self so that it still goes into the pocket.  In other words there is always room for complication in the liminal, infinitesimal region between “happened” and “didn’t happen”…because the time machine exclusively produces “near misses”…it can’t hit the target, it can only hit around the target…if you like, it can only hit “fractions” of success, and of course we’ll never run out of fractions.

(You were saying something about the Mandlebrot set, I believe?) [EDIT:  he was, and yes I was trying to be clever with that, so sue me.]

So…it’s fine and everything, although I think they could’ve just asked me about it instead of wasting the time of people with genuine qualifications…but I see an interesting situation arising from this whole “nudge” revelation of “Chronology Protection”, which is:  if chronological consistency (I guess that’s what we’re calling it now) is always preserved by these “nudges”, then we get rid of paradox merely by getting rid of the time-traveller’s ability to detect any changes in the past:  because the “nudge” corrects chronology in such a way as to make all [experienced] pasts consistent with all observed presents.  For every trajectory, a reconciling “nudge”;  for every nudge, a reconciled trajectory.  And then why not another nudge, and another, and another, ad infinitum?  It wouldn’t matter:  we wouldn’t know.  The past would be in a constant state of perfect revision.  More:  if time-travel were physically possible, we would have to expect that it is already going on naturally in the universe somewhere:  much as the argument against naturally-occurring traversable wormholes is that if they’re out there, we should already be detecting time-shifted radio signals from them.  So if time-travel were possible, and the “nudges” were factual, we could reasonably expect that the past is fundamentally ephemeral:  one “second” ago it was a different past, and now it is this one…in another second it’ll be something else again.  An old stoner’s imagining:  did you ever really look at your hand, man?

Of course “Chronology Protection Principles” are not very scientific anyway…who says they’re needed?  Who says the universe has to care about the seeming paradoxes that befuddle human beings?  Maybe it doesn’t matter at all, except to us — and maybe the way we’ve chosen to care about it is wrongheaded:  “must get rid of this paradoxical result somehow, it threatens the theory!”  That is, of course, epicyclical thinking…both in that it’s not scientific, and that it’s historically ignorant:  because our model of the universe is no longer one in which we can reasonably wish to “preserve consistency” — we are already long past the point where it makes sense to chase the ideal of some perfect Principia or other, aren’t we?

The other day I ran into a friend of a friend in the liquor store, who studies Philosophy of Fiction, and over a couple of beers we got to talking about that…suddenly in the middle of me trying to explain an idea I had about Japanese SF (basically that Japan has already lived through the post-apocalyptic motif of the West’s SF, so when Japanese SF offers us post-apocalyptic landscapes the usual Western “cautionary” reading of such a story is superficial:  Japanese authors are not warning their audiences that nuclear proliferation is a bad idea, good heavens!  But rather every apocalypse signifies a failure of imagination…), she exclaimed:

“And that’s why communism doesn’t work!”

She’s a self-styled libertarian, thinks Michael Moore is a hypocrite because his movies make money, etc.  Jejeune stuff.  Looking back on it, what I should’ve said (good-naturedly, of course) was:

“Bitch, who the fuck said anything about communism working?  Is that what you think your “side” has as its big sockdologer, it’s big philosophical credential?!  Because if that’s what you think, you need to get working on some fresh material…!”

I didn’t say that, though, and in relatively short order she’d pressed into my hands an SF book she’d been reading, in which all “modern technology” stops working one day — as it turns out it’s a VERY transparent libertarian-survivalist fantasy — ugly to encounter — which I said was something like we’d been talking about, it’s a future that isn’t extrapolative, it’s just arbitrary…but then she promised me, PROMISED me, that in the second book somebody comes up with a scientific rationale for the big change.

So I was reading the book, and noticing some strange things:  all electrical devices go dead, gunpowder doesn’t burn so much as it smoulders, dynamite doesn’t explode…and yet matches strike, and kerosene lamps burn.  Hmm, most peculiar…could this really all admit of a scientific rationale, even one good enough to suit a bit of SF-noodling? I couldn’t wait;  I came up with the best theory I could. I thought, maybe, maybe you could get away with it if you stipulated that every molecule over a certain weight with single-bonded oxygen atoms in it, suddenly had one of them disintegrate into its constituent protons and electrons.  Then right away each molecule grabs some atomic oxygen again, and so the ozone layer’s back up (well, it’s pretty dicey I’ll be the first to admit), but the damage is done:  air’s a good insulator, but it isn’t perfect, and that’d be a lot of current flowing around suddenly — maybe enough to drain batteries, maybe not enough to kill most living creatures.  A couple of very big “maybes”! [EDIT:  Actually it would be a disaster on an unimaginable scale] But then nitroglycerine would undergo a chemical change, and so would saltpeter…but kerosene wouldn’t, water wouldn’t, hydrochloric acid wouldn’t, DNA actually wouldn’t (I was surprised to discover that)…it could, at a LONG stretch, maybe work well enough for soft SF. But then I found out that, in this book — and you are not going to believe this — STEAM power doesn’t work… And then I threw up my hands, and went to Wikipedia to find out what the later book’s explanation was.

Because I mean really, STEAM power doesn’t work?

The answer was:  “high energy densities” don’t exist anymore, because something (I won’t tell you what, because it’s teeth-grindingly hideous) is draining them off. But of course this is really incoherent:  what are “high energy densities” anyway, when they’re at home?

Anyway I have been avoiding the Phil. of Fiction girl when I see her in the grocery store — don’t want to have to tell her that the book is awful junk. [Also she is nice.] But the comparison I was hoping to make here is:  that “Chronology Protection Principles” are basically the same sort of thing as “high energy-density drains” — they’re both things which don’t count as explanations, only as handwaving excuses for continuing to hold a belief in abstract entities that don’t really exist.  For the survivalist-SF book, that abstract non-entity is “modern technology”…an absolutely useless category unless one wishes to attack another abstract non-entity that couldn’t exist without it:  “modern society”…and for a certain kind of physicist it is finality:  ironically, the ability to say that the past is immutable.  We know this, we know that, we’ve settled the matter, we’re moving on…! But of course we are not:  because moving on is what “finality” definitionally prevents.  The essence of the problem of progress, and why Richard Dawkins refuses to be interviewed by philosophers of science…and just incidentally, what Principias everywhere both rely upon and are ultimately demolished by:  definitional prevention.

Oh, how I look forward to my friend Tyche’s “paper” on  “The Rhetoric of Kurt Godel”!  I think physics is in the midst of a war of rhetoric, and no one knows it…more and more, I’m convinced that the application of a little Phil. of Sci. is absolutely necessary, if we want to get past the point of simply shouting our creed at one another.  The key has to be in a more general sort of science education, but I don’t know how we can get it.  I guess I’m trying to do my bit for it here and there, and hoping it all adds up…which I’m sure it will, because things generally do add up…but at the same time I’m hoping it won’t have to add up to anything so drastic as a “revolution in thought”, or anything like that.  That way of framing things in science ought to be damn well staledated too, by now. Well, one can hope it is.

So…short version is, I guess:  how could I do otherwise, but support Nate’s crazy Star Wars fan-fixes?  When, again, he and I are just the same:  neither of us can sit still for stories whose arbitrariness is presented as the entire reason for us to sit still.  One hears it all the time, on the geek circuit:  “The Avengers are whoever the owners of the trademark called “The Avengers” say they are.”

Which is true enough, I suppose.

But:  not at all an explanation of anything.

Uh…see what I did, there?

Yeah…yeah, you’re right.

This was a real long one.

So…you think maybe I shoulda quit when I was ahead?

Yeah…

Me too.

25 Responses to “Star Destroyers, Part III”


  1. 1 pillock November 13, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Nate, let me know if this one meets with your satisfaction! I changed one or two things.

  2. 2 Disintegrating Clone November 13, 2009 at 2:05 am

    If the universe is trying to save itself from destruction (think I’m following the logic here), wouldn’t more obvious routes to safety be never commissioning the thing in the first place? Have whichever scientist was about to think of Higgs Bosons get hit by the 9:15 to Doncaster. Or not have apes evolve to the point of being able to build universe-ending machines?

    Perhaps there are dozens of universe-ending machines that could be built with current technology. I could rig my laptop up to my bar heater and my vacuum cleaner. A stream of Higgs Boson comes out of my CD-Rom drive and poof! the whole cosmos goes. Only because the universe always saves itself, I never think to do it. The whole theory looks like shoddy “post hoc ergo propter hoc” thinking to me.

    Alternatively, maybe CERN just had some crap contractors.

  3. 3 Marc Burkhardt November 13, 2009 at 2:07 am

    But … but … what about the Ewoks?

  4. 4 Disintegrating Clone November 13, 2009 at 3:41 am

    The Ewoks brought an end to the Star Wars Universe, instead of our own.

  5. 5 pillock November 13, 2009 at 5:30 am

    I’ve said it before (or maybe that was in another universe, one that never happened), the Ewok-hatred is suspiciously huge, ain’t it? Considering the fucking clarinet, I have to think that the Ewok-rage is covering up another, more meaningful kind of anger…

    Oops, shouldn’t've said that! Now I’m in the other universe, darnit!

  6. 6 Andrew Hickey November 13, 2009 at 8:02 am

    Personally, it seems like you’ve only just got started…
    Fantastic stuff.

  7. 7 morgan jeske November 13, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Great read man!

  8. 8 Harvey Jerkwater November 13, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    I think the Ewok hatred is in no small part due to their prominence. The “Star Wars” movies have weird, cutesy, strange things in them, but they tend to be in passing. The clarinetist was a bit of furniture, not a character. The Ewoks were key to the plot of an entire movie.

    I’m sure some fans instinctively take it as a dig on their heroes. If the Empire can kick the Rebels’ asses so frequently, and yet the offspring of Care Bears/Tarzan slash fiction can whomp the Empire’s heinie, what does that say about the Rebellion?

    Also, if you’re digging on the “Star Wars” movies as rock-’em-sock-’em entertainment that gets your fightin’est parts of your brain fired up, the sudden diversion into “killer teddy bears” is jarring. “But…but…but…the Dark Side of the Force! Joseph Campbell! Mythic-osity! Giant laser battles in outer space! Not ‘Teddy Bear Picnic Takes Out the Empire!’”

    They do deflate the epic pomposity of the climax. It’s hard to get worked up in good Wagnerian lather about Good and Evil and Light and Darkness and the Final Fate of the Soul of the Universe as Father and Son Engage in a Last Duel before the Emperor of the Galaxy when the end is intercut with images of Teddy Ruxpins with spears kicking everyone’s asses.

    (You ever think how weird it is that everyone knows that those creatures are called “Ewoks” despite the fact that they are never named in the movies?)

    I’m not an Ewok-hater, but the shift between the Luke/Vader duel, with its choral score, dark lighting, and portentous dialogue, and the “Vietnam in SPAAACE with Boo-Boo Bear” was a bad idea.

  9. 9 Harvey Jerkwater November 13, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    You know what was way, way cooler than the Ewoks?

    GIANT GREEN STAR WARS RABBIT!

    Hell yeah.

  10. 10 Nathan Adler November 13, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    Firstly, thanks Bill for giving my new blog such a huge plug by devoting a whole post to it:)

    With regard to the Calamari, yes the race that Admiral Ackbar derived from was called the Calamari and the planet they derived from was Mon Calamari. They were one of the first races to be instrumental in forming the Rebellion and were conquered by the Quarren (the race of whom Squid Head seen at Jabba’s palace in Return of the Jedi was among) for their efforts.

    Mon Mothma was the older looking female in white robes who gave the speech in Return of the Jedi at the war meeting before Han & crew took the Imperial Shuttle to Endor and Lando and the remainder of the Rebellion attacked the Death Star.

    As for the Mandalore Red Guards, they were the Emperor’s Royal Guards seen in Return of the Jedi in red armour. They stood by him as he emerged out of the Imperial Shuttle on the Death Star and stood by the elevator into his throne room.

    The Mandalore were originally warriors, but not Jedi, who practiced Sith magick and hired themselves out as mercenaries to fight in wars, were pirates or slave-traders. Vader hung with them for a while and developed his early abilities under their tutelage.

    Their grunt stormtroopers originally wore the same armour as Boba Fett, and their elite warriors wore the red armour.

    Thanks to Vader they were recruited into working for the Empire while ones who remained as mercenaries were placed on contracts.

    As for my offering of “anti-gravity” being all the insane ephemera of the Star Wars “Expanded Universe”, all the bits I cherry-picked were directly out of the original films, the movie novelisations and Splinter of the Mind’s Eye and no more as I don’t agree with much of the Star Wars “Expanded Universe”.

    As for the spice planets, Frank Herbert was so incensed that Lucas stole so directly from his epic Dune after seeing A New Hope, he attempted to rally a coven of Sci-Fi authors to publicly take Lucas to task for plagiarism.

  11. 11 Marc Burkhardt November 13, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    See, I found the militaristic Teddy bears nice relief from all of that Joseph Campbell stuff myself.

    To me, Star Wars was more a continuation of the old space serials of yore than the basis of a new mythology. So Teddy bears and the comics’ giant green Star Wars rabbit were just lighter elements reflecting the goofy stuff that used to be seen in those old serials.

    Jar-Jar did take it a step too far, though.

    And it would have been awesome if Frank Herbert had teamed up with Jack Kirby

  12. 12 Disintegrating Clone November 13, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I don’t personally care about the Ewoks at all, but I get the feeling from people who care about Star Wars more than I do that the Ewoks are the first completely insupportable thing that happens in the series. From C3PO onwards, Lucas is looking for merchandising opportunities but he’s also developing a mythology, and that’s what the SW fans love most. The existence of Ewoks, just fluffy toys with lines, shows contempt for the people who most love the series, and that’s where the hatred comes in.

    IMO, Lucas should have been tarred and feathered for Jar Jar Binks, but that’s a different matter.

  13. 13 Justin Zyduck November 14, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Eh, Ewoks’re not so bad. You can even make them significant to the mythology, via Spaced: “An entire empire … brought low by fuzzy little creatures,” or however the line goes. Time has certainly been kind enough to them; Jar-Jar Binks may in fact only exist as a lightning rod to deflect attention away from the Ewoks.

    I’m just contributing to the tangent about Ewoks when there’s a great meaty post to be dissected, but you should know, pillock, that I got into a whole thing with friends Friday night about the LHC and the billiard-balls-going-through-the-time-machine, but there was bourbon involved, so I don’t know that it all came out right.

  14. 14 Marc Burkhardt November 14, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Now I feel bad about bringing up the Ewoks. I do want to bring up, plok, that I love your Last Temptation Of Luke Skywalker. Very dramatic, and I would have loved to see a Peter Jackson Star Wars as long as Lucas allowed the director enough leeway.

  15. 15 Justin Zyduck November 15, 2009 at 6:49 am

    Now I feel bad if I made you feel bad. I had to get my two cents in about Ewoks anyway, didn’t I?

    Anyway, yeah, the thing about entitlement is that I only feel it’s really entitlement if you try to *impose* it on somebody else, which you are clearly not. I think it’s a healthy process for us all to have our own personal canon and leave out the bits we don’t like; it’d stop them from having to make objective ones, y’know? There’s guys out there *demanding* that Marvel do a story to undo the story about Gwen Stacy having Norman Osborn’s goblinbabies, but if he could just see his way to developing that personal canon and forgetting the bad bits…

    It’s why I think the retcon is such a dangerous device, because it *is* an imposition – “My way is better, and now it’s OFFICIAL.” The Ministry of Truth, I’m sure, would snap up comic writers for the historical revisioning work right away because they can do it and keep a straight face.

  16. 16 pillock November 15, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Sorry, bit late…

    Harvey: HA! How long have you been saving those up?

    Nate: I hereby retract the “Expanded Universe” crack! And thanks for the info, and thanks for the correspondence…couldn’t've done it without you.

    Ewok Crew: Oh, come on guys, why the hell shouldn’t we zoom off into talking about the Ewoks? Somebody’s got to, and besides they’re just about the only things to wear well out of Return…really, once you accept that the third movie stunk, they really are a breath of fresh air…

    Aren’t they?

    Because there’s no way Return would’ve been “better” without them. It probably would’ve been worse. Which is saying something I know, but…

  17. 17 pillock November 15, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Ed came up with the idea a couple of years ago: “Roll Your Own Reboot”. This was for Marvel, mostly — because Marvel’s an empty-centred thing now too, in the same way as Star Wars only worse, to the point where (if you’re a fan of anything published there before 2004 or so) you can either junk the whole thing — that’s what I’ve done — or take charge of it yourself since no one else seems to be interested in doing so. Bendis et. al. are doing really the same thing, junking whatever they don’t like and running with what they do…so why can’t the reader do the same? My Marvel Universe branched off from what’s in the comics a long time ago: you don’t even want to know how long ago it was. Now most of what’s gone down in Marvel comics is stuff that “didn’t happen”, as far as I’m concerned…but it’s more than just “not happening”, it was actually a massive Crossover Event with Multiversal Implications that ended on the metatextual note of me not being a reader of Marvel comics anymore, not being invested in the shared-storytelling space anymore…and that was me leaving it all behind me, realizing I’m just not in their audience anymore.

    But if they’d done things a little differently, I might be rolling my own reboots even as we speak.

  18. 18 pillock November 15, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    So I guess what I’m saying is, I agree with Justin, it’s just that for me the doors of reinterpretation have been closed so much it’s not worth it for me to try and slip a personal canon through whatever cracks remain.

    Well, it’s lit-crit, you know. There are no “objective” stories, there’s no objective canon, even if Marvel wasn’t in such a constant state of eternal revision (it’s always been subject to this anyway, it’s just that the character of the revisions was a tiny bit different — like the difference between Augustan revisions and Caligulan revisions) it never was just that what the writers wrote and the editors decided was fixedly the end of the story and all there ever was to say…

    …But inside every reader’s head was a complex of meaning having as much to do with their background as with what their readings were operating on. Say something as simple as whether you like a given character — this is something the writer can’t tell you, this is wholly interpretational, even if it’s grounded in the story-as-written (and drawn, of course). Of course these days that kind of “like” is something the writers and artists are trying to impose on you, Bendis thinks The Hood is cool so he tries to force you into thinking he’s cool, which on one hand is fine — it’s not the first time a writer’s propped up a favourite character — but on the other is futile, because if you don’t share his particular personal complex of meanings you may yet disagree with him. Because it’s a tough trick in general, trying to make the connotative into the denotative, but it’s tougher still when you’re not fully conscious of the fact that that’s what you’re trying to do, and almost impossible when the substance of the story you’re telling includes details that can just as easily work against that interpretation as support it. The Scarlet Witch is a pretty good example of this too: to Bendis she is one thing, but to me she’s another — he can’t make his interpretation of her be the “correct” one, because you can’t enshrine those sorts of interpretations. What the reader does is still important, the reader still has his or her own interpretive agency, and it’s not in the power of any writer, artist, or editor to squash it. Orthodoxies like that just can’t pull their own weight: eventually they fall apart.

    That’s why you can only keep ‘em in your own head.

    And that’s why the whole “the “real” Avengers are whoever Marvel says they are” thing really misses the point. The current Marvel braintrust (and many of the current Marvel fans, hmm, so maybe this is smart, maybe this is just Stan Lee on steroids?) always seems to confuse the character’s perspective with the writer’s perspective, and the writer’s with the reader’s…as though there was so much “realism” working here that what the writer sets down isn’t just canon but fiat. Which goes beyond mere hucksterism and into a rather peculiar arrogation of narrative authority — maybe what truly sets the fan mentality apart from the professional mentality? Stan could cause to have printed on a cover words like “This Is The Most Amazing Fucking Comic You Will Ever Read!”, but it seems the new guys try to end every issue with “This Was The Most Amazing Fucking Comic You Ever Read!”…like a coercive high-five, I don’t know…there’s something shabby about it, something sort of nakedly cynical…you feel like you have them over your shoulder screaming WASN’T THIS AWESOME?!?!…

    Which is, yeah, sort of a more fannish thing. “Join me in my enthusiasm!” Okay, but look…I’m the reader, here. Not you. You’re getting paid for this; I’m not.

    We always say comics have become little more than pitches…maybe we speak truer than we know.

  19. 20 Justin Zyduck November 15, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    I’m of two minds about stuff like Bendis pushing The Hood on readers whether they like it or not. On the one hand, I mean, we all grouse about Wolverine appearing in every third comic, but at least that’s what the *market* demands, right? They wouldn’t put “BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT…!” on covers now even if they were inclined to write like that anymore; maybe “BECAUSE GEOFF JOHNS IS REALLY REALLY INTO THIS…!”

    On the other hand, I say I want new ideas and concepts in superhero comics, and that’s what Bendis et al are doing here. Because if you left it *totally* up to fans, it *would* just be twelve Wolverine comics a month where he fights mysterious figures from his past, and makes out with a new hot lady every issue who comes to love him for the man trying to contain the beast within! I think you *do* have to assert your new concepts to get them to stick with the conservative readership.

    Of course, Marvel just *cannot* sell me on their Dark Reign business, so that may actually be a failure of writing. I suppose, like everything else in mainstream superhero comics, it’s a delicate balancing act (Chris Claremont fell off that highwire decades ago, but he seems to be working with a very forgiving net).

  20. 21 Justin Zyduck November 15, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Also, that same sense of coercive self-congratulation you mention plays into the “culture of awesome” in current comics, I think. It’s quite devious, actually. You have Wolverine fight a psychic samurai bear with a katana … made out of explosions! And if you don’t think that’s the raddest thing you’ve ever heard of, they make it out in very condescending terms like THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU. You are not *allowed* to speak ill of the awesome. They even get you thinking that you apparently must not like awesome things … and how can that be? Grant Morrison’s JLA is my favorite-ever comic, after all. It’s just that awesome has become so *codified*; these certain things have become awesome purely by people asserting that they are in the first place.

  21. 22 pillock November 15, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Well, time moves fast on the Internet…this conversation used to be about how it’s ridiculous to be ashamed of how Galactus is supposed to have a big “G” on his chest, why not embrace this pop-weirdness and sense of fun, etc. etc…

    But you can always go too far in an opposite direction.

    As to Bendis, yeah, it’s a balancing act for sure: except he’s got such incredible carte blanche at Marvel that — to mix a metaphor — there’s a lot more eggs than usual in that basket. Certainly, as much as I do like him, he’s one of the major reasons why I’m not a Marvel reader anymore. Since everybody else has to balance around him, too. Claremont, like every other writer, always promoted the hell out of his pet characters and pet ideas, but he was mostly in his own little editorial zone, so…I dunno, Johns and Bendis, Bendis and Johns…if you don’t like them, odds are you won’t like the publisher they work for, I guess. So you peel off, and the people that stay are the ones who do like them, like The Hood, like Dark Reign, like aggressive re-retro-izing, whatever.

  22. 23 Matthew E July 20, 2010 at 9:02 am

    I never commented here the first time around, but I just had an idea that might have improved the original trilogy a bit. Just takes a simple dialogue change.

    Darth Vader: Luke… I am your mother!


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